Kamala Harris is “a practicing Baptist.” The act of murdering an infant for convenience is antithetical to the Christian faith. Christianity recognizes the sanctity of life.
Deuteronomy 30:19 states: “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your children may live.”
Leftists are increasingly advancing the idea that truth is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no absolute truth. Take, for example, the Leftist advancement of gender indoctrination even of children, telling them that gender is a fluid concept. It is a fact that men do not give birth. It is also a fact that only men carry the Y chromosome, aside from chromosomal abnormalities. These are unalterable truths and realities which are scientifically proven.
To teach kids that men can give birth and there are more than two genders is harmful to children’s intellectual and psychological growth. They are being taught that it is acceptable to create their own truth.
The documentary ”What is a Woman?” is a worthwhile watch. It exposes the highly disturbing indoctrination of Western society away from reality (and from sanity). The idea that someone can create his or her own truth opens the door to lies, no matter how ridiculous or dark, being taken as reality. Without the concept of truth, the compete devaluing of humans is inevitable. How can one determine right from wrong, or truth from fantasy in the face of truth being presented as entirely subjective?
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association identifies psychosis as a break from reality. Even the World Health Organization accepts this. This leads us to the practical question of where this leaves medical professionals in their diagnosis of a person as psychotic. In the face of the gender identity activist arguments, proponents of the claim that “a man can give birth” are demonstrating a break from reality.
Abortion is widely claimed to be a right that a woman has to her own body, although to a confused Leftist, the pregnant woman may not be deemed a “woman” at all, and pro-abortionists do not consider the violence to the child’s body.
Harris “argued that she only wants to ensure women have a choice in the matter.” Yet Leftists also hide the fact that many women are isolated and pressured into an abortion against their own will.
“Kamala Harris argues there is no conflict between abortion rights and religious faith,” by Keith Griffith Daily Mail, June 17, 2022:
Vice President Kamala Harris has argued that there is no conflict between religious faith and support for national protections for abortion, as the Supreme Court is poised to issue a major ruling that could curtail abortion rights.
Harris, a practicing Baptist from a multi-faith family background, told reporters on Friday that she had ‘convened faith leaders’ to discuss the abortion issue from a religious perspective.
‘For those of us of faith, I think that we agree, many of us, that there’s nothing about this issue that will require anyone to abandon their faith, or change their faith,’ she said, referring to abortion.
‘It’s simply saying that the government should not have the ability to decide what an individual does with her own body — let her make that decision with her pastor or her rabbi, or whoever she consults,’ added Harris. ‘But it should not be the government making that decision.’
Harris, whose mother was a Hindu immigrant from India, was raised attending a Baptist church in Oakland, California.
She has said in interviews that she still regularly attends church and professes a Christian faith. Her husband Doug Emhoff is Jewish, making him the first Jewish spouse of a vice president.
Many anti-abortion activists do cite their religious faith in opposing the termination of pregnancies. The Catholic Church, for example, classifies abortion as a grave sin, holding that human life begins at conception and must be respected….
Jay Lykins says
I don’t know her experience to speak about abortion, but I seriously doubt her ability to speak on Christianity.
gravenimage says
+1
maria says
she proabably had many abortions when she was mistress of Willy Brown.
She knows nothing about Christian religion her parents were not Christians.
She probably hates children, she is a monster.
mortimer says
Anyone who says abortion is ‘in line’ with any religion is not using critical thought. EVERY RELIGION PLACES RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTION.
All churches disapprove of unrestricted abortion on demand when their theologians are pressed to be precise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_abortion
Quotes:
– The General Board of the American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A. opposes abortion “as a means of avoiding responsibility for conception, as a primary means of birth control, and without regard for the far-reaching consequences of the act.”
– Today, the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, opposes elective abortion except to save the life of the mother.
-The Southern Baptist Convention calls on Southern Baptists to work to change the laws in order to make abortion illegal in most cases..
Conclusions: Kamalla Harris is talking a lot of bull. The largest US denomination is the Southern Baptists. They have resoundingly denounced abortion on demand.
somehistory says
No Christian…the True kind, not those who fake it for one *reason* or another…would believe or say that a baby is disposable when a woman is deciding about “her own body.”
I hope no woman in child-bearing age, listens to this liar. “Faith” is not just a word to be slung around. Real Faith means something beyond just using the word to make some kind of statement in order to get people to agree with another.
This “woman” may have experience with baby-killing, but she has no experience with being a person of Christian Faith. And it doesn’t matter how many times she has gone inside a church. She does not speak for Christianity.
Even satan the devil can quote Scripture, and use it to get people to do wrong.
mortimer says
The Sixth Commandment specifies that killing is forbidden. The church interprets that as restricting abortion.
somehistory says
i take my “Commandments” from Jesus Christ, not some “church,” not even “the church.”
Infidel says
Baptist? Just b’cos her father was one? But her father doesn’t seem to share many of her views, so how fair is it to attribute his faith to her?
I daresay she’s a disguised atheist/communist
mortimer says
Harris has not bothered to learn what American Baptist denominations have officially stated on the topic of abortion.
Harris is speaking off the top of her head … her presumptions are WRONG and contradicted by the theological statements of the LARGEST BAPTIST DENOMINATIONS.
Harris should APOLOGIZE for speaking UNSTUDIED and UNPREPARED … (which is her normative manner of speaking)
That is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a vice-president.
Sheila says
Harris considers herself a “Black Baptist because a neighbor took her and her sister to services at a “Black Baptist” church in the neighborhood.
What IS a Black Baptist?
What are the black Baptist denominations?
Historically, the Black Church in the United States has been composed of seven denominations: the African Methodist Episcopal Church; the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church; the Christian Methodist Episcopal Church; the Church of God in Christ; and three National Baptist Conventions which convene Black Baptist…
https://www.fema.gov › sites › files
Engagement Guidelines: Black Church Protestant Leaders – FEMA
Sheila says
…But because her parents divorced when she was 7, she also grew up in Oakland and Berkeley attending predominantly Black churches. Her downstairs neighbor, Regina Shelton, often took Kamala and her sister Maya to Oakland’s 23rd Avenue Church of God in Oakland. Harris now considers herself a Black Baptist…
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/11/07/five-faith-facts-about-biden-vp-kamala-harris
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link, Sheila.
There is no specifically “Black Baptist” denomination. There are some Baptist and Southern Baptist Churches that are majority Black, but this is true of many Churches.
Stranger than this, though, is that this Church–which Harris has cited before–is *not Baptist*.
Church of God is a different Protestant denomination from Baptist.
If Harris doesn’t even know what denomination Church she attended–as appears to be the case–this is very telling.
somehistory says
She’s not Christian, in any case, or she wouldn’t lie and say that baby-killing is acceptable for Christians.
she is just trying to persuade people who may not know any better. Many people, even those who do attend a church, do not know a whole lot about the Bible and the teaching and Commandments of Christ so they are easily misled.
The Christian Scriptures even say this about some people “misleading and being misled” about Christ and what is required of Christians in an immoral world. Those who mislead, “slyly work their way into households” to draw away disciples for themselves.
Wellington says
There is no way to square abortion with Christianity except perhaps in the most exigent of circumstances like the life of the mother (not to be confused, as it often is for a variety of deceptive reasons, with “the health of the mother”), a child born with massive birth defects, incest and rape—and perhaps not even in these cases.
Christianity and abortion cannot be reconciled, especially when used as a form of birth control, which it often is (and highly and bitterly ironically to the detriment of black Americans first and foremost as Kayne West and other black Americans have noted).
Ah, the “convenience factor.” Well Christianity is no more concerned about convenience than is the American Constitution. Both are about fundamental rights and duties and not conveniences, themselves often resulting from bad and selfish decision making. So many people miss this. Like Kamala Harris. Like what’s left of Joe Biden. Like the Democratic Party en masse and just one more reason (there are so many others after all) why the Democratic Party should exist no longer.
somehistory says
As for “convenience”….Jesus said, “Count the cost.” and “Pick up your burden and follow me.”
A miscarriage is a terrible, horrible experience for a woman who loves her baby even before it can be born. those women would never choose to deliberately do as harris has claimed.
And I belong in the “not even in these cases,” Wellington. Thank you.
Wellington says
I respect your belonging, somehistory, in the “not even in these cases” category. Besides, just seen from an ethical point of view, religion aside, you may “just ethically” have the superior “assessment” in this regard.
Here is a “matter” that reasonable and informed minds can disagree about and I appreciate why theists like yourself want to leave all of this, defer in all of this, to a higher power.
As always, I write with respect for you and your positions.
somehistory says
Thank you, again, Wellington.
When I was a kid, beginning at age 2 years, I was the babysitter for my younger siblings. None of them gave me the affection they gave my mom, naturally but I loved holding them as babies. I made up my mind during that time, and confirmed many times, that I would be a mom someday, even if I didn’t have a husband. I had no idea how that would come about, as I was too young and no one had informed me of such things.
I sang a song in church when I was five, about “Wonderful Words of Life.”
It wasn’t until I was older that I came to better understand and see God’s view of the sacredness of life. In so many and various situations, His view has to be mine.
It is easier to defer to Him than trying to muddle through on my own.
But, the innocent babies…always and forever sacred to me. Every one deserves a chance.
Thank you. For an agnostic, I believe you better understand the Christian mind than many who believe.
Wellington says
Your 3:38 P.M. post means a lot to me. Thank you for it. Deeply appreciated.
Hey, if an agnostic like me and a devout Christian like you can be on the same side of so many issues, I aver there is still hope for the world and especially for the greatest civilization ever, i.e., Western Civilization.
somehistory says
many sunny days are ahead, I believe. 🙂
gravenimage says
Good exchange, Wellington and Somehistory.
mortimer says
Wellington’s categorical comment about Christianity and abortion is validated here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_abortion
somehistory says
A Christian who is not, and cannot be, “edited” by just anyone, “validated,” so the wiki is superfluous.
CogitoErgoSum says
Under my religion a human being becomes human at the moment of conception and has the right to life that God has granted to all human beings. Killing an innocent human being is murder under God’s law -but the laws of God and the laws of man are not always the same.
Now, under the laws of the U.S. when does a human being become a human being entitled to protection under the laws of the U.S? Is it at birth? Is it at conception? Or is it somewhere between conception and birth? I think each state should be able to make its own laws concerning this matter since the Constitution says nothing at all about abortion. The word abortion never even appears in the Constitution. If conformity of abortion laws across all the states is what is desired then the federal government needs to pass a law declaring precisely at what point a human being becomes entitled to all the protections afforded by the laws of the United States. When voting on such a law I feel that those voting should follow their conscience and their religion … but as Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and others prove, some of our lawmakers have no conscience and they resort to religion only when it is convenient or might get them some votes and ignore it when it might lose them votes. These are not admirable character traits and these people have the same attitude about lying as they do about abortion. They will do and say what is most convenient for them or will get them the most votes.
I don’t know if Kamala can understand any of this but the short answer is NO, abortion is NOT in line with Christianity – and neither is lying. If she is not going to stand up for her religion she should just leave religion out of it.
Wellington says
Your post, CES, makes me reflect yet again that there is no such thing as an enlightened Leftist Christian.
CogitoErgoSum says
I can see the point that Biden and Pelosi try to make about not forcing their religion on other people. I’m not for forcing my religion on anybody either. But if a person makes a point of being the follower of a certain religion I think they should be honest about what that religion teaches. I have noted this about the lying and hypocrisy of Muslims and there are Christians who are liars and hypocrites as well. I agree with you, I don’t see how people can reconcile being a leftist or a Democrat and still think they are doing as Christ would want them to do. They are just fooling themselves and trying to fool everyone else too.
somehistory says
All very well said.
The part that gets me, aside from those you cite, are the facts that they condemn Christians for being pro-life in the case of babies, and pro capital punishment when it comes to murderers.
but, they just go the opposite way and see no contradiction: they murder unborn and newborn babies and then fight for the life of convicted murderers…arguing that they might be innocent.
and, they use *rape* to say women should have control of their bodies, but then, people like harris want the rapist to go free, to have bail supplied by donors and the victims can just stop their pouting and ‘get over it.’
the defund police….allows rapes to not even be investigated, but the poor unborn that might…and this is actually rare…result rom the rape, is murdered because the woman doesn’t want to have a child of a rapist. the rapist gets to keep on living, while the baby dies.
the entire thing makes me angry and sick. and I say harris and her ilk…like all the other “women” who may or may not have children, fighting for a pretend *right* for others to ommit murder of the most innocent…little children, made in the Image of God.
somehistory says
commit murder, not “ommit.” which they would omit it forever.
gravenimage says
All true, Somehistory–gross moral contradictions.
gravenimage says
Kamala Harris declares abortion ‘in line with Christianity’
………………………………
Based *on what*? One assumes that Harris belongs to an American Baptist Church–this is the most common Baptist Church outside the South.
Here is their official stance on abortion:
“American Baptist Resolution Concerning Abortion and Ministry in the Local Church”
As American Baptists we oppose abortion,
• as a means of avoiding responsibility for conception,
• as a primary means of birth control,
• without regard for the far-reaching consequences of the act.
We denounce irresponsible sexual behavior and acts of violence that contribute to the large number of abortions each year…
http://religiousinstitute.org/denom_statements/american-baptist-resolution-concerning-abortion-and-ministry-in-the-local-church/
Now, Harris can disagree with her Church–others do. But she can’t falsely claim that abortion is in line with the views of her Church or other Christian Churches, which is what she is doing here.
Wellington says
Strongly seconded, gravenimage.
Christians on the modern Western Left (N.B., not to be confused with old-fashion liberalism which is still, by my assessment, an error by wanting too much government but was not an abomination like Western Leftism is, and which latter travesty is actually evidence of mental illness, certainly a great deal of “dumbness” to say the least) is a contradiction in terms.
Hell, I’m an agnostic and I can see this. A modern Christian Leftist is no Christian at all. They are a faux Christian and such a person betrays the very core of Christianity. If an agnostic like myself can realize this, so sad that so many so-called Christians cannot.
Just as the West is in big trouble, so is Christianity in big trouble. I want neither in big trouble. But both are in big trouble due to fallacious thinking many times over. Again, what a waste of a great civilization and a great religion.
mortimer says
Agree with Wellington and GI. Christine has written above: ‘Leftists are increasingly advancing the idea that truth is in the eye of the beholder.’
That is the problem: they have abandoned critical thought and lapsed into subjectivity and even (in some cases) into SOLIPSISM.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
You are an agnostic with much better Judeo-Christian “values” than a very large percentage of today’s “so called” Christians.
Wellington says
James, you have paid me a very highly compliment. I am not sure I am deserving of it, but from the bottom of my heart I thank you nonetheless.
gravenimage says
Good exchange, Wellington, James, and Mortimer.
mortimer says
Good work and points from GI.
Harris was speaking unprepared which she normally does. That is the main reason so many of her staff have quit! After staffers do meticulous research and preparatory notes, Harris goes into important events without reading anything or listening to anyone … and then, she proceeds to make an ass of herself, which she certainly has done in this case … as GI has meticulously proved. Harris was unprepared to speak on the topic of Christianity and abortion.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mortimer. Quite true.
Sheila says
I’m 68 years old. I’ve been a Baptist all my life. NEVER heard such garbage from ANY Baptist. EVER.
Abortion is murder.
Deuteronomy 27:25
English Standard Version
25 “‘Cursed be anyone who takes a bribe to shed innocent blood.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Proverbs 6:16-17
English Standard Version
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 aheart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.
Wellington says
+1
somehistory says
my oldest brother was Baptist from an early age until his death in an accident. He would never have wanted a child to be murdered. and I have known many other Baptists without ever hearing one say any differently than you.
those who kill the unborn children are “taking bribes to shed innocent blood.”
Those verses from Proverbs apply to many these days.
gravenimage says
Sorry to hear about your brother, Somehistory, He sounds like a good man.
somehistory says
thank you, g. yes, he was. a special man who loved his wife and daughters. and doted on his grandsons.
Robert_k says
As Kamala Harris moved through the government bureaucracy by showing her briefs, she probably practiced/practices the world’s oldest profession.
Major Tom says
Methinks Kamala needs more practice!!
mortimer says
Yes to Maj Tom. Practice the Sixth Commandment … ‘Thou shalt not kill.’
mortimer says
A fantastic summary of the underlying issue by CHRISTINE DOUGLASS-WILLIAMS.
“Leftists are increasingly advancing the idea that truth is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no absolute truth. Take, for example, the Leftist advancement of gender indoctrination even of children, telling them that gender is a fluid concept. It is a fact that men do not give birth. It is also a fact that only men carry the Y chromosome, aside from chromosomal abnormalities. These are unalterable truths and realities which are scientifically proven.”
Reply: Leftists have abandoned both critical thought and the Golden Rule. Truth and ethics are certainly NOT in the eye of the beholder and that is why societies make laws.
OLD GUY says
Prophet Kamala has spoken and her words are that of a religious scholar. Hell she can’t even be a good POLITICIAN. She almost makes dim bulb Joe look bright, so her view on abortion is questionable even if she has had experience at it. In her case maybe there is a value in abortion, we don’t need more copies of her.
Rarely says
If GI’s posting (3:57 pm) is accurate (I’m not doubting it) it appears that the American Baptist Church is not against abortion in all cases — just not as a birth control replacement.
But it’s all basically irrelevant anyway.
Abortions (even those in lieu of birth control) are going to continue. Perhaps it may be necessary to travel a bit to get one in a safe setting (only a problem for the poor) but the poor can always fall back on the old coat hanger method.
The only question, as I see it, is whether society is willing to try (I emphasize “try”) to have some control over it. This is not unlike the gun debate — the genii is already out of the bottle.